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#1 Movie - Passion of the Christ
#2 Movie - Hellboy

Before Easter the zombies had the lead.
Do people know that just going to see the movie isn't enough to make you a good christian? And that it doesn't substitute actually going to church and being, er, good? Just asking since it (ie Passion) went back up to #1 for Easter.

Rebeca and John Stamos have gone their separate ways. Yay? Her career is red hot, his is not. Why would they think I care? Okay, I did choose to watch this crap.

Why are all actors so absurdly short (with some Ben Affleck exceptions)?

Van Helsing. Hugh. Wet. *sigh* Sue me, I like seeing him kick ass.

I'm told that the hooker look is the new thing in Hollywood. New?

I'm going to try and do some actual work now.

Date: 2004-04-13 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurashalo.livejournal.com
So, what exactly is the hooker look? I have the general idea, but do they offer specific fashion suggestions?

Date: 2004-04-13 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chenanceou.livejournal.com
The example shown was a tight, satin mini skirt with see through and low cut top. Oh - small bag with twirling cord.
I'm partial to the whole glamour a la 40s thing myself.

Date: 2004-04-13 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cindergal.livejournal.com
Van Helsing. Hugh. Wet. Long hair. ::sigh::

(using my Bono icon because, you know, the hair)

Date: 2004-04-13 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chenanceou.livejournal.com
Here you go. I have a couple more, but nothing to do justice to Hugh.

Date: 2004-04-13 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cindergal.livejournal.com
Oooh, thanks Chen!

Date: 2004-04-13 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/opalescence_/
Hi Chen! I went to The Passion on Maundy Thursday. I didn't go there as a substitute for church, but as a way to remember. I do think that many people are making it a pilgrimmage, of sorts, and if it does get them back in touch with God, it certainly can't be a bad thing.

Warning - Rant ahead!

Date: 2004-04-13 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chenanceou.livejournal.com
No offense, but getting your (not you - the you as you in general) religion from a movie based on historically incorrect work? I wouldn't rec it. If the spiritual state of people is so debased that they need this movie (as brilliantly shot as it was, it's so off sometimes one could scream) to get in touch with G'd? I'm sorry, but getting in touch with G'd in my book requires more than sitting through that biased gore fest. It's about living His word on a daily basis - not from flickering images on a screen paid by some actor guy with an agenda.

Yes, I do take this maybe a bit too seriously. Yes, it's only a movie and like so many others in Hollywood it tells the story the guy with the money wants to tell and I shouldn't be surprised. It just ticks me that people are taking this as The Word. It's not. It's just passing for it for lazy people who won't be bothered with actually reading It and thinking. The really scary thing is - it's close enough that it's just being gobbled up.
Argh!

Anybody bothered to ask themselves why the actor playing Jesus was hit by lightning? Actually struck by it. Coincidence? Maybe. I like to think it's a big thumbs down.

Re: Warning - Rant ahead!

Date: 2004-04-13 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/opalescence_/
How is it historically incorrect? I ask that in all sincerity.

No, people who go there to get their religion would be sorely disappointed, as the film portrayed only one (albeit important) aspect of Jesus' life. My future daughter-in-law, who has not been to church in ages and has really lost touch with her beliefs, has been inspired now to learn more and to attend church again.

I guess it's all quite personal, but that can't be considered a bad thing. At least it's not by me.

Date: 2004-04-13 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com
It is getting Mr. Gibson in touch with his wallet.

I find it hilarious that evangelicals are giving the man their money, when they wouldn't be caught dead in church with him.

I've read more than one reviewer who call it pornography, but who am I to judge? I'm sure not seeing it.

It's the antisemitism that burns me.

Date: 2004-04-13 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/opalescence_/
I respectfully disagree. Do you also resent the producer of Finding Nemo...number 9 on the list of all-time greatist hits (The Passion is #10 last I heard). Why is it Mel Gibson is so resented for making a movie about something he believes in passionately? Is he not just as entitled for his movie to be a success?

And I saw no degree of antisemitism in the movie. It was made abundantly clear that the Romans crucified Christ. The actress who played Mary, Jesus' mother, is a Jew, and she, too, believes in the film and does not feel it is antisemitic. I saw her interviewed.

I guess I'm just not understanding all the resentment and hate. I have to surmise that the outcry is mostly political in nature. You have an openly Conservative Republican making a controversial movie in mostly Liberal Hollywood during a tense election year.

Date: 2004-04-13 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com
I'm a liberal, true. I was also once a very devout and vocal evangelical, and I know there's no love lost between them and the catholics, expecially a splinter cult like Gibson's.

So it's not true that little jewish children turn into devils? And why not cast ALL the jews in the film with jews?

Date: 2004-04-13 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/opalescence_/
Hi. I hesitate to debate religion in someone else's journal. Chen, my apologies. We can always go over to mine, if you want to continue discussing it.

I am not an evangelist and never claimed to be one. I don't go out into the world and preach the Gospel. I'm just a homemaker, part-time administrator, mom and wife...and I'm a Christian. I try to be a good one, but I fail miserably on almost a daily basis, I'm certain. I attend my church most Sundays, but I miss more than I like, just because I'm sometimes too tired to make the 30-min. journey.

In the movie, Judas is consumed by guilt because he turned Jesus over to the Romans. Children are not actually turned into the Devil. His guilt (or the Devil, or both...I'm not certain) distorts the children's faces and tortures him, until he is driven to take his own life. That is not turning Jewish children into the Devil, IMO.

As far as casting goes, I do not know how many Jewish actors/actresses and extras were used, do you? Why is that a requirement? I guess I'm not following.

We should probably agree to disagree, because I don't think either one of us is going to change our minds. I saw the film and put myself through the utter agony of it, mostly to support Mel Gibson and his right to make the movie. I don't think the movie would have done as well as it did (is doing) without the outcry from people who feel much like you do.

Date: 2004-04-13 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com
I didn't really outcry. I'm certainly not protesting it, or telling people not to go.

I'd just much rather see Hellboy.

Date: 2004-04-13 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerrymcl89.livejournal.com
I haven't seen the movie, so I'm really not going to touch the anti-semitism issue, other than to say that anyone making a film of the Crucifixion in this day and age really should be mindful of the history of Passion plays and their role in inflaming anti-semitic sentiments, and should tread quite carefully as a result.

I do think that when you make a movie about this particular subject, it's almost certain to arouse, people to strong feelings, since it's something that matters an awful lot to people, in a lot of different ways. And I think Gibson has gotten rather self-righteous about it in the way he promoted and marketed the movie which doesn't help things any.

Mel Gibson has every right to make a movie about things that he feels strongly about, and if anyone wants to see it and takes real inspiration from it, good for them. But I also think that the people who object to things they find objectionable about it have every right to that, as well.

Date: 2004-04-13 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/opalescence_/
Absolutely, Jerry, absolutely.

THE END

Date: 2004-04-13 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chenanceou.livejournal.com
Mel Gibson has every right to make a movie about things that he feels strongly about, and if anyone wants to see it and takes real inspiration from it, good for them. But I also think that the people who object to things they find objectionable about it have every right to that, as well.

This man let himself be quoted saying he was inspired by the Holy Spirit! Who in the name of Moses is he? Rich? From actor he's gone to bringer of the Word to the masses? Please. He's part of a cult! People are so ignorant, but so very ignorant, that they see it and eat it up. Are there any disclaimers at ALL telling people this is a work of fiction, loosely based on the life of Jesus? Or that Mr. Gibson based his movie on work KNOWN for its anti-semitic bias?

I give up. Really.

The main actor was struck by lightning and the movie now is the gore aficionado flick of choice. It's been called a snuff film (perhaps that's where the whole pornography thing comes from) and I, personally, find that disrespectful. I object to the way the movie has been marketed on how it was made, not to what it talks about.

What's the point... This isn't even about the movie. It's about the right getting a ride on the telly time this movie is getting in an election year.

If nobody else cares and/or sees the horror of it - why waste my bloody time?

For anybody with a brain and willing to actually think? I rec Flavius Josephus, AKA The Jewish Traitor, for some background. No, not an internet search - the book. Read it. Then go on to read about Jewish customs in the first centuries. Political dealings with the Roman occupation. You know, the basic stuff. This assuming the Bible - Old and New Testament are already known and understood. And not the lame translation.

(I thank G'd once again for giving me a father who always encouraged me to think and question and research. This Italian man took me out of Catholic school when the nuns had issues with my inquiring mind. He rocks.)

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